Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-3293219-20150511230631/@comment-29458028-20150512121544

Apollo42 wrote: Censorship? So we refuse to have any form of censorship on this wiki? Well, don't go on chat, then! We have all forms of censorship, to keep things from being offensive. That's right. Offensive. (Sorry, but I have to contradict this. This is my opinion, but even if I have to get screamed at or shouted at, it has to be done)

In chat, our rules contradict only huge issue creating things, such as racist, sexist, and remarks of this nature. If ya said we didn't allow sex talk in chat, are you telling a huge lie? Seeing how it happens in chat all the time. We stop when we are asked to stop. Just like we write less or eliminate writing sex if someone actually says stop.

Is anyone offended by sex talk? No. I think we have the appropriate censors such as no bestiality, unconsensual sex or actual pedophilia. To go beyond is to infringe on a Freedom of Expression already.

Apollo42 wrote: Everyone is saying that we shouldn't censor ourselves to 'cater to thirteen-year-olds,' because they'd find it 'offensive,' but it's more than just 13-year-olds! '''I find it offensive! Just like I find racism, sexism, and other stereotypes offensive!''' Racism, Sexism, Extremism, Stereotyping, Hate speech, these aren't in the same league as an innocent sex scene, they are things of far worse nature. One is to instil hate, superiority and domination, ensuring a form of physical or psychological subjugation, while the other is just harmless piece of prose. If you are classing sex to be as large a crime as hate speech, sedition and discrimination, I think there is a very large divide in terms of value judgements here.

Also, just because you find it offensive means we should ban it? What if you find classical music, or fight scenes offensive? Do we ban those too? What if you find female characters offensive? Do we all make male characters only?

What if you find RPing offensive? Do we just shut down the wiki?

That just reeks of pure self centeredness and self righteousness. It's as good as me saying I find this whole thread offensive to my sensibilities. Bam! Let's shut it down!

If we want to ban anything just because one person (me or you) finds is offensive, we might as well not have consensuses or discussion at all, since invariably, someone will offend someone. Political correctedness must take a second seat in this case, or no discussion will be heard, since people will just veto each other's voices.

Apollo42 wrote: We ban those things in chat. Should we stop doing that, just to cater to everyone, no matter how sick and twisted they may be? Do we really ban all those? I think we only ban extreme NSFW content, hate speech and discrimination. Anything that does not constitute harm in any way is hardly banned. I think we are all sensible enough to keep our darkest fantasies to ourselves, because if you aren't mature and intelligent enough to do that, you shouldn't even be on the internet. You should be rotting in the mental hospital.

Case in point is, what we ban in chat is something of offensive nature far beyond a sex scene. To class a sex scene to be as unclean as something of seditious and peverse nature is a fallacious way of classifying things, or we might as well send a couple to jail everytime they perform sex ... or maybe humanity should only reproduce via IVF?

(If you get angry at me, I can't prevent that from happening, since this is a clash of value judgements. I have no right prevent you from having your opinion, but you have no right to prevent me from my opinion.)